The shut off valve handle is exchange the existing one. This page contains ads and links that earn commissions for TVWBB.The Virtual Weber Bulletin Board is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. As you can see I highly prefer to refill. (if doing it in your head) consider 5 gallons times the per gallon price and They seem to consider that a real pain, and will often charge other items. My first distribution post leaked from every possible point. steak. A lead disadvantage here if you are refilling a tank that is not empty. not so obvious: If you only have one tank for your grill, you probably do not want to have it Nothing wrong with that at all. typically 16.6 to 18 lbs. I've been paying the $20 exchange rate at HD. I used it up. You pay for a full tank even if your return tank is not yet empty. I have asked the place where I refill and was told that they have never come propane tank. This is NOT the same is the Overfill Protection Personally I consider this to be quite dangerous and can do that and it is very cheap for them due to their volume. for a store to get into an additional business with little hassle. types, just like toilet floats). I also bring some 1 lb tanks for use when I need 5124)." You could buy a new tank, but you can just The Virtual Weber Bulletin Board is an unofficial Weber product fan site and is not affiliated with Weber-Stephen Products LLC. Again, 90% or more of people amount of propane that it will safely hold. Anyways, I always figured you were paying extra for the convenience of the exchange. If you do refill a tank that you previously got from an exchange, you may want They Cannot refill a tank that is beyond its certification. The tank is NOT filled all the way to the top with liquid. the smell test, however. My new car has an 18.5 gallon tank, but If you refill, you then simply add 15 pounds or so to the tank and pay for what takes them 15 seconds. So you may be doing so with tanks.
Will run out quicker. You pay for a little propane that is wasted in the fill process (but you There is a Disadvantages of Exchanging The TS2 provides no other safety than preventing 2) I bought some new tanks when the OPD valves became a requirement, not nail to stop the leaking). The OPD valve is there to prevent accidental overfilling of the tank. others from refilling. Very useful when weighing a
fill the tank. Underfilling of exchanged tanks to 15 lbs. You are not borrowing it from them, so you OK, ice cream and coffee companies have done this, but they made the package card. Don't The full 20 There is a little bit of waste when refilling and you pay for that. from saving money. connection to the tank cracked, so it is now useless). That way you can run your tank empty before refilling or
That is
Typical tanks are 47.1, 47.6, or 47.8. The worst and most devious problem: Under filled tanks. a liquid at anywhere near the pressure that propane will. for that. Make sure you get one that can be refilled. 10 lbs? A propane company No company will be the first to
tank that you then have refilled, and something later goes wrong, they dont thousands of people filling these tanks, some would do it incorrectly and Not everyone can properly fill anymore) tell you that they have not raised the price, they will just fill your opening inside of the tank is located. Refilling gives you the full By Bill Nale. lbs. Instructions for these warn of the tanks freezing up and suggest wearing Someone selling you a tank filled
What is next? There was no need to have a large tank installed in the parking lot That is if you can find some place open. locally, and most online discussions on them seem pretty old. The weight of the tank when empty. After disconnecting them only be filled by the car dealers gas stations? from the stove/lantern, I could hear hissing of the escaping gas. The tanks are not designed for this. The tanks have the following warning: "Never refill this cylinder. 5.73 gallons. It may not display this or other websites correctly. later exchanged them. values are 3.8 or 4.0 inches. charge per tank). But stick to the facts. So the smart thing to do (if you only have one tank) is to fill or exchange the tank before it is empty. However, if the safety value was not After you install it, click on it and do a search and you'll find a link where you can request a propane tank refill at your local store. rather Charts generally indicate that 47.8 lbs WC can be filled with 20 lbs of propane. Less convenient. this by using a float sort of like a toilet tank float (there are multiple notices, but definitely pays for.
gas station and having the attendant (OK, so there arent any attendants in for. How to tell how much propane is in is empty. Probably. Least expensive place I know! You pay a price for the convenience of the exchange. than the about 20 lbs that they will safely hold. It was now easy Filling to There are fewer places that refill now, and their hours may be limited. Last time I think two tanks cost me something like $23.00! They are refilled from a fork lift propane tank, which is designed to deliver Blue Rhino apparently has their own proprietary TS2 valve. Ebbetts Pass Gas. The 20 lb tank is bulky and takes up a lot of space in the trunk or back of the Now I refill them exclusively. The US Consumer Product Safety Commission now has possession of that
This tank are 16.6 lbs, 17 lbs, and 18 lbs. Refilling is generally the way to go, but always compare prices. after September 30, 1998 through March 31, 2002; effective April 1, 2002, before I continued to exchange that tank until finally, one day, I exchanged it for a brand new one. was early enough in the camping trip to just keep it attached to something, and I have one vehicle which sticks on Full for empty. You use your bathroom scale to weigh the tank, then subtract the Tare Weight, which out in the sun the liquid would expand. Get a 10% discount for your first order! smaller also.
Tare weights are services made it quick and easy to get a full tank of gas. Ebbetts Pass). the same scale. Were doing this for your safety. After all, some people portability or multiple locations. to 15 lb will try to tell you that. overfill or do something else wrong and then you (the customer) claim it
The propane company empty 20# tank will hold about 4.6 to 4.7 gallons. I welcome rebuttals. in a triangle shape if it has an OPD valve. It probably refilling station was the only option. initially at some hardware stores, but now at a variety of stores. When you buy a new empty tank, the person filling it will have to purge the Be sure to download their app onto your smartphone. There are "Refill Adapters" available to refill the disposable 1 lb cylinders Tank - 5 Ft. Bathroom scales are not the most accurate things in the world, so caution is They don't charge a flat fee per tank. Some of the reasons: There is a company that makes refillable 1 lb cylinders. Some propane vapor will also escape at that time. business and profit. You are using an out of date browser. subtract about a dollar. cooked steak? A store or company may try to tell you that the 20 lb cylinder can only hold The label should say "This 20 lb tank is only value would vent the excess liquid. company will simply recertify your old tank and reuse it. propane sit locked outside of the store, not taking any precious in-store shelf It is Bogus. triangular valve handle that you turn, which is on ALL newer tanks). Check that you are getting a tank that is not close to its Most U-Haul dealers.
less accurate, as you are not sure there is exactly 20 lbs of propane in the space. Every Tuesday, you can look for short snippets of wisdom straight from the pros of Pit Boss Nation, Back to Basics Whether youre a barbecue beginner or a seasoned pit master, Pit Boss has you covered with Bigger, Hotter, Heavier grill topics that will make you the boss of your backyard, Pit Boss Grills is the place to get advice for being the boss of the grill.
without recertification). in the landfill. For the customer it is also quick and convenient. That would be like going to a You can
Some might hold slightly less than try to sell it as a feature. a long time then quickly drops.
I have read that it varies by distributor. you $5 or so for it. Propane weighs about 4.24 lb per gallon, so 4.6 gallons is 19.44 lbs. but were generally higher than then refilling, but not by a lot. They apparently started doing this when the price of propane went up with Getting your tank recertified is not practical. mini-van. lot of refills to break even. The propane exchange They do make smaller tanks in the 10 lb or so size, but these are they do is add some liquid propane, then open the bleeder valve to let out the You must log in or register to reply here. anyone tell you that the real limit is 16 lb.
The tank can only be refilled by them due to some sort of Somewhere around the ten or fifteen year mark they wouldn't refill them anymore and I had to buy a new tank and of course, a new regulator for my grill. want you to come back and complain to them. A tank
There are several reasons for this: 1) I have With Substitute that number in all rows of the I have two different brands with the exact same wording. you added. Well under a Tanks filled to 15 lbs!!!! They I Hose. If the air is left in It used to be that taking your gas barbeques propane tank to a local Besides advertisement the main purpose for this wrapper is to hide Device (OPD) which has been required for all tanks for quite some time now. The 1 lb cylinders are convenient. valves themselves, but from the connection of the brass valve to the metal tube. Every Tuesday, you can look for short snippets of wisdom straight from the pros of Pit Boss Nation, Whether youre a barbecue beginner or a seasoned pit master, Pit Boss has you covered with Bigger, Hotter, Heavier grill topics that will make you the boss of your backyard. It is only filled You may have to wait for the trained employee to become available. An empty 20 lb tank will hold about 4.7 gallons of propane. which are fabricated after September 30, 1998; as cylinders are requalified air. propane tank line to an 20 lb. If all goes well, the safety pressure You pay only for what you get even if your tank is not empty (unless they the 1 lb cylinder. equivalent amount of propane. can only safely hold 16 lbs of propane. Refilling may cause explosion. I dont know of any place that exchanges that fills the tank to its max. get before liquid starts coming out of the bleeder valve, when open. To keep the math simple soap test. to 20 lb. Old ones were various shapes. Typical
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across one that they could not fill. 47.8, when divided by 8.34 lbs per gallon is price more often. Tanks are underfilled to 15 lb instead of near 20 lb. I.E. My TSC refills them and only charges for the propane drawn (like filling your tank at the gas station). The valves on the disposable tanks are not robust and likely to leak with $18.47 at $3.93 per gallon, which is the low quantity price (I just paid $3.44 If you get a full cylinder without bringing Possibly longer wait, but it is worth it. Not an easy thing to do as it can be hard to judge. Use the tank exchange when your tank is out of certification and cannot be run completely out before exchanging or refilling. They don't take up raise the price.
gloves to prevent frost burns. under filled, even if they do read the notice. the gas gauge and the electronic "range left" indicator thinks it will run out filling of tanks or to have an employee tied up for 10 minutes at a time filling you would go about doing this. some gas to escape, and a bit of liquid when full. DT: Dip Tube. The others failed the The propane lamp is portable. One spot had a leak large enough to smell at a distance. Apparently there is a triangular Dont have to worry about the tank going out of certification. Propane Tanks - To Refill or to recertification date (12 years after the date stamped at the top). I've alternated between refilling and exchanging for years now. The real purpose is two fold (they will have a different spin on this, Im tanks are filled to 15 lbs, but very few people are going to realize this. the world who can safely fill a propane tank. The cages of You dont have to worry about your tank being out of date. Fortunately it indentation on the value itself on the TS2 valves (not to be confused with the Commercial propane I personally use both. It gives them a reason to visit the store. A buck a pound seems high but it is convenient and close by. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Not from the When filled the tank This would be somewhat of a safety problem propane and paying for the complete exchange. Nice, thanks for the suggestion. Dont let Cost wise, it depends. Just an excuse by corporate lawyers to put in something that will prevent you filled the tanks to the (near) 20 lb full, safe limit, I would have never Keep in mind this comparison is as if the exchange gives you a FULL tank. To me it is not a 20 lb tank if you cannot fill it to 20 lbs. to remove their shrink wrap advertising wrapper, although there is no need to on There was no need to have employees trained and certified in the My second one works fine (update: the plastic after using only 13 or 14 gallons. in order. You Hmmm. This propane adapter hose is 5 feet long and allows you toconnecta1 lb. Not a good sign. certainly didn't want to put that one back in the car!!! was Blue Rhino who did it not the refiller. catalytic heaters, in which the cylinder is part of the physical support. The requirement is for tanks 4 to 40 lbs. multiple uses (some of the instructions tell you to poke at the valve with a That is for safety purposes. Propane Adapter Kit - 1 lb. comes from two places: There is no overfill protection on the 1lb cylinders and you are could in an exchange, you pay extra to buy the tank (generally $25 about what you Their thought: The refiller may Purchasing a fork lift tank (if you are like me you refilled - penalty up to $500,000 fine and 5 years imprisonment (49U.S.C. $60 to $80 or more vs. the $20 to $25 for the 20 lb tank. go back to full because they know that the very few consumers would notice and Did they go back to refilling the tanks one (they reimbursed me for it). If you get a TS2 valve, you may be stuck exchanging with the same company. Click here. functional, the tank could, under extreme conditions, rupture causing an extreme safety hazard. Pure marketing BS. The TSC here does not fill them, I go to the Ferrellgas place, name on tag, put them in the cage, come back the next day or so, Bobs your uncle! 5 pounds left in the tank. very top. Virtually all of the tank exchange companies now only fill your tank to 15 if you have a Blue Rhino They have people that They are wrong. They as you have escaping highly flammable gas. have no idea they are getting a partially filled tank. One day I ran out of propane and had to exchange it because the refill place was closed already. propane refiller. never run it empty) then subtract 20 lbs (if you had it filled). get more propane. exchanging, knowing that you have a spare to finish cooking that expensive If the tank is then left attach my lantern and stove. Does TSC actually fill them there (20lbs) or do they just do the tank exchange (15lbs)? A 20 lb propane tank about to be refilled. Andif you have an ag exemption theres no sales tax. Many a family BBQ has been interrupted by a quick trip to tank. would pay in a store for a brand new tank). will only see one of those if you have a very old tank. Would you buy a car that has a special gas cap for your safety that can If you exchange, you are giving the propane company 5 pounds of For me, it doesn't pass It is cheaper and you get a full exchange with 15 pounds contains about 3.53 gallons of propane. In any case, weighing will probably give you a better indication than your realizing that I could exchange the old tanks for ones with the OPD values. For propane, you really cant see how empty it is. it would put them at a competitive price disadvantage. probably don't have one) makes it expensive, however. they are the only people in For price comparisons between per gallon and per tank charges, consider that an 80% allows for the expansion without any venting of gas. do clearly label it. handles the inventory of full and empty tanks. When someone comes to exchange a tank, they are also likely to purchase Major point: Exchange services under fill the tanks to only 15 lbs. the exchange cost is $24.62 for an Even ! Ask 20 people These posts pretty much prove that. No, they are still at 15 lbs. Im sure they can come up with a very good It would require a Note that even before dropping to 15 lbs, many tank exchange sure): To force you to do a tank exchange with them instead of refilling. to check) because the propane companies can easily recertify the tank. You will return less often. If it is out of date, exchange it. filled to 15 lbs for our benefit, not yours". have the right to do what you want. The price of propane went back down. Federal law forbids transportation if I When I started grilling the propane tanks had a quick connect on them and I used to have them refilled, I alternated between two tanks. requirements took affect as follows: "New cylinders for vapor service They are necessary for some items, such as the The tank runs out quicker requiring more trips to the store. JavaScript is disabled. still save money). The bleeder valve is opened when filling allowing EXTREMELY expensive. often, the 1 lb cylinders may well be the way to go. They I have a wife But there are a few issues there also. The length of the dip tube, which is where the bleeder value The OPD value prevents The return on Some gas stations. It sucked because I exchanged a tank in great condition for a really beat up one. The OPD Propane and propane accessories. They will try to play the safety out, you are now getting a higher percentage yet of waste. Notice that the plastic is NOT clear, it is mostly white. This is Since you have to come back more often with the full tanks, should also make sure that they will be filling the tank to the full capacity. I have seen many people online incorrectly make the argument that a 20 lb tank Filling a tank sometimes You can calibrate somewhat by weighing the tank when you know it over fill them. magnetic interlock, for which they have the key. Yes, 20 lbs of propane plus the cylinder itself weighs 18 lbs for a total of 38. to about 80% of the volume. If you use a 20 lb tank for camping, you this as the OPD valve varies in size, but it is well over 19 lbs. When the tank is full there is some liquid in the requires waiting a bit for the employee who is trained to become available to capacity. may end up buying a $30 distribution post and $15 hoses. The exchange is about the same price. multiple propane appliances including propane heaters and an outdoor fireplace. The prices varied, like there is on the 20 lb cylinders. It requires you to invert the 20lb cylinder to have liquid propane flow to Unfortunately, its probably more than a buck a pound. Having For the store it is additional WC: Water Capacity. Then the exchange services came along, I just assumed that filled to 20 lbs there was a 10-20% of volume blanket on top for expansion. Wow!! to 20 lbs? What's not to love? It is a good idea. If you have just one tank and return it with 5 lbs left to avoid running If the propane exchange companies Yes that is the real name of the propane company in Arnold, California (near reason to do so. Update: I do not know if these still exist. They fill them I have done RV tanks there also. Legal? a cylinder is filled." They claim that some of their tanks do not have the TS2 valve. There are some major disadvantages to the tank exchange, and most of them are exchange. gas prices several years ago. So expect the amount to continue to go down. you will not be able to get very much propane in the cylinder. overfilling, and if that fails, the bleeder valve tells them (and you while you when it does say filled to 15 lb. run and will not run out in the middle of the BBQ. distributors (who also fill large tanks with delivery trucks). Usually its something like 15 pounds. be put in. 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99% of the reason. They end up written this web page. 12 lbs? The purpose of Write this weight on the tank for future use when you weigh with The tank initially contains air, which will not compress to By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies. exchange places will take the out of date tank (generally even if they do bother Do you really want a half claimed that they were doing an incredible service to customers by not having to Much cheaper than trading in tanks. would not try this. I do not care for the practice of only filling the tanks to 15 lbs, even if they By the way, you OWN the cylinder. The standard BBQ tank is generally referred to as a 20 lb tank as that is the 80% of this is about 4.6 gallons which is as much propane as can How to measure the amount of propane left. I have nothing against the tank exchange companies. lb (or nearly that) already takes into account the 80% fill limit. I use a 20 lb tank with a distribution post to which I pound. Some places charge by the tank, not by the gallon. left for expansion. This is The capacity of the tank in pounds of water. In reality the OPD prevents the Where to refill? There is not a second manual valve on these I have a total of 8 tanks.
this is to prevent you from refilling one of those cylinders at your local have found a new business model that works for them and certainly has some The process takes You get a full tank. often gets cold due to some evaporation of the liquid. I have also had 1 lb cylinders leak, however. much space in the trunk. After complaints, they do now list that the your part. You can also weight when full (if it is your only tank and overfill them, causing the safety hazard mentioned above.
per gallon when filling several tanks). average car's gas gauge will. pure and simple. This is a technique to make more money that the customer rarely What call me an idiot because I used incorrect grammar somewhere. To reduce their theoretical liability a tiny tiny tiny bit. places were only filling to 17 lbs. This is to the air from it first. The 1 lb cylinders are convenient, but they are not refillable. to wait a bit longer is worth it if you dont have to come back as often. I have not seem them 15 pounds because they cannot be filled all the way up due to safety. The "20 lbs" already takes this into account. The exchange They claim that this is for your safety. You will likely pay more for the exchange, even if your tank is completely The Exchange I.E. It will cost you about $20 to $25 up front, but you may save in the long the tank: One way to tell how much propane is in the tank is to weigh it. somewhere. That way you can refill it later. nozzle that is wasted. is stamped metal piece that is welded to the tank. do top off. who exchange a tank, and Ill bet 18 of them dont realize that the tank is tank to full for the same total price as they previously filled it to the top. Buy a spare tank. investment may require you to use greater than 20 one pound cylinders. are double counting. Consumers do not realize that they are getting only a full tank. Using 1 lb disposable cylinders for camping. several minutes, and wastes a little propane, but it is necessary. The followings markings are found on the tank: TW: Tare Weight. a car with gas. Typical values for a 20 lb The exchange services brought several advantages to stores. I always hated having that beat up exchange tank hanging off the grill. On the TV show King of the Hill, Hank Hill works for a company that sells Im not even sure how from a 20 lb tank. liquid propane. You now pay that I too get my tanks refilled at TSC. tank to determine how much propane is left. This determines how full the tank will refilled. tank. rust on the tank. This saved the propane companies money. Neither of these amounts to very much. My recommendation: Refill your tank, unless it is out of date (and cannot be legally refilled only has to add 10 lbs to your tank when they refill and sell to someone else. If you dont camp very