What it sounds like to me, and I am guessing, is that your door opener was designed to open the door to a certain degree and hold it there. But at the top it is likely to only have its thin veneer - nothing to bite into for the screws that hold a surface mounted door closer to the door. Between the inside and outside plates, use copper tubing to create sleeves for the through-bolts so as to help stop them from crushing the door. 
I am just wondering if any standard screw and cap can fix this issue, or will I have to get some special one that is made specifically for a door closer? The most common way to deal with stop/closer conflict is to use a concealed overhead stop with a surface closer.
If, however, your closer is handed, you might find that the arm stops or if you reposition it so that it looks like it will work, you will find it has no spring tension. Light Grey It seems like they would occupy the same area at the top of the door, yet I want something to pull the door shut, (the closer), and something to keep an open door from getting caught up in the wind, (an overhead stop). I do not think there is an observable difference. How would I do that? Is there an adjustment on the resistance? 2022 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. We use the right door, the wind catches it and often pulls from your hand or just swings it back hard against the house. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on March 17, 2018: Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on January 31, 2018: Yes, that sounds correct. There are motorized gate operators that slide side-by-side gates in opposite directions, such as the Stanley SL540, however they do it by wiring two motors together, one on each side of the gate. Surface mount version. Low profile door closer for small, horizontally swinging doors. Equipped with dampening mechanism for soft close. Stay will hold the door in 90 open position. Push the door to close Accuride Hardware Kits-Brackets-Screws-Accessories, Heavy Duty Slides 170 Lbs to 1300 Lbs Load Rating, Medium Duty 140 Lbs to 169 Lbs Load Rating, Sugatsune LADH LIFT-ASSIST DAMPER (Heavy Duty), Sugatsune LDD Series DOOR DAMPER Surface Mount, Sugatsune LDD-SP-xx Spacer For LDD-S Dampers, Sugatsune EBD DAMPER FOR EB FOLDING BRACKET, Sugatsune LAD-DP SPACERS FOR THICKER PANEL, Sugatsune LAD-ST LIFT ASSIST DAMPER (W/ANGLE STOPPER), Sugatsune LDD-V LAPCON DOOR DAMPER (RECESSED TYPE)For Heavy Doors, Sugatsune YMC MINI-DOOR CLOSER WITH DAMPER.
:). Why is it too heavy especially for my 3 year old to open. It is used to provide a surface to which you can attach the door closer when the surface of the door is too narrow to do so. What is the door made of? This will help ensure this does not happen again.
Answer: When a decorative molding makes door closer installation challenging, you can 1) use parallel arm installation on the push side of the door, or 2) if the molding is made of wood, cut into the decorative molding on the header to make a flat place to install the shoe. An example of a concealed-in-door closer is the LCN 3130 series. Alternatively you could use spring hinges, but these would simply slam the door. You should be able to search these model numbers online and find examples of what I am talking about. funny about those door closers being non outdoor rated.. once put a 4041 on a 4'x8' metal pool gate and it was still working good 4 years later with little corrosion. I hope this helps solve the mystery of the numbers you are seeing on a closer. those are the bane of one's existence, and there are so many goobers out there that use a closer in a non-standard mount and expect it to work - (1) without slamming, (2) foil even the "latch-parkers" (say pool users that leave the gate "ajar" for their friends to come in behind them when I install standard door closers in a PA mount configuration on a metal security gate on a pool fence, there has to be for my purposes, a horizontal cross bar at the top of the frame (and at a 7 foot level) to mimic the geometry and mounting dimensions of a standard door frame.
theres nothing to be a shamed about, many people learn different ways, (by reading or doing or asking). They are often used in high traffic applications, such as the front door of a large office building. Sugatsune EBD DAMPER FOR EB FOLDING BRACKET You can find the adjustable bracket for round top doors on page 17 of the Norton 78B/F series catalog. Light Brown Sugatsune LADH LIFT-ASSIST DAMPER (Heavy Duty) Is that correct?
lets put it this way, 4040XP is basically the improved version of the 4041. On the push side, the plate should be through-bolted to the other plate. Any help or info would be certainly most appreciated. How does one determine whether a right or left closer is needed?
There's a giant stone pillar the door hits right after 90 open. Choose your closer accordingly. Sounds ingenious! I have french doors from my den, outside swing to a second floor dec,. Right hand version shown (viewing the door from the opening side, hinges are on the right. $56.95, Double click on above image to view full picture, Surface mounted door damper that will pull and close the door when engaged. If not, it needs to be moved. If it is the latter problem, move the closer to the 121-180 degree opening template location. This also eliminates the conflict, but it is a LOT more work. The problem is that it will swing quite abruptly and one of our nurses got her finger pinched. Pictures of the different types of door closers are shown in the sections following. I have tried adjusting it, but no adjustment works. You can also adjust the back check, swing and latch speeds to approximate the feel of a free swinging door. These are the things I would check first. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on March 07, 2011: There are special mounting brackets for door closers for special applications. On apartment doors, spring hinges are often used to try to help ensure that the doors are closed in the event of a fire rather than for security, insulation or any other purpose. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on December 28, 2011: Yes you can use an overhead stop and a door closer on the same door. This always results in the closer not working properly. Since I need both these features, can I use both devices? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE! Could you recommend a door closer that will work with this setup? Please be aware that due to COVID-19, orders from some manufacturers may be delayed. Non-track surface mounted door closers are available with different kinds of arms that perform different functions. very helpful info thank you that gives me some direction. It's for an exterior door. even though to many the instruction on the "barrel" (called the spring tube) shows the steps "if" with diagram of the 6 hole mounting plate and "then" showing the valve screwed in. The 1st solution would be a device to either close the door after a period of time (1 to 2 minutes) or the other device would close the door, but keep it open if opened to 170-180 degrees. The aluminum is too narrow, so the 18PA plate attaches to the aluminum of the door and the 4041 attaches to the plate. That made installation easy. Unobtrusive Stainless steel hydraulic door closer. Bracket arm will catch the roller for self closing at about 10. Silent operation. Hydraulic cylinder absorbs shock, preventing the door fromslamming shut Sugatsune LAD-BKT UNDER MOUNTING BRACKET Maybe the compromise is using a corner bracket in an opening that is not tall enough to allow a corner bracket, or maybe it is opting for spring hinges instead.
Best follow them, be it a parallel arm, standard or top jamb install. The arm stays attached to the door frame, and on one of the doors, a screw snapped in half where the closer had ripped away from the door. If the door does not swing well, or a bent hinge or sprung frame causes resistance, these factors can significantly inhibit the closer's ability to close and latch the door. It needs to be adjusted to allow a minimum 3 second sweep from 70 degrees to 3 inches from latching. Can you show me a picture? 
Track closers are used with there are space restrictions that do not allow an arm or parallel arm shoe to protrude past the reveal of the door, or as an aesthetic choice. We just had it repaired because it wouldn't remain open, despite the fact it's supposed to be able to. Or is the door not able to open as fully as you would like? Would prefer something with adjustable latch speed and back check. Alternatively you might be able to mount in on the push side of the door if the door is at least seven feet, six inches tall, using a corner bracket. If so, what is the distance between them when they are closed? It is very difficult to pull off option 2 and have it not turn out like the hack job it is, but sometimes there is no choice. If this clicking is faint and happening as you are opening the door (and it is NOT the arm screw) it may be the one-way check valve ball in the piston of the closer allowing fluid to pass through, the noise may be loud in some closers but it should not effect dampening effect. Answer: It does sound like you are missing a part. If you push the door and it swings to the left, it is a left hand door. The door is a heavy, solid, wooden door with a deep reveal of about 4". additionally, i'd like to find a digital door pressure gauge.. could a fishing scale be used in a pinch (rigged of course to apply "pressure" from either side..). If that's the case, the real surprise is that it did not pull off the casing long ago. Another, much more labor-intensive solution is to use a door closer that is concealed in the door, header, or floor. I set it up for a 120 opening even though it might open a little less than that. Any thoughts? please cite specific chapter/verse.. :) i would like to have this info to show to any who would dispute what i tell them. Tom Rubenoff has worked for over 35 years in the door hardware industry. I am hoping to get a stronger style closer that would withstand the constant in and out and beating from children but also be very adjustable in the pressure or amount of time it takes to shut completely. In that case, it would probably have a mechanical device that would be activated when the opener has opened the door to the right angle. If you have a friction hold open that is adjusted using a nut on the arm, you can loosen the nut - just a little, mind you - and render the hold open feature ineffective, or you can replace the arm with a non hold open arm. Look on the Norton Door Controls web site and pick out the one it most looks like. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on February 26, 2012: Awesome, Jess, thank you!
Add a smooth soft-close to counter tops in restaurants, barsand reception desks to prevent slamming. Lift-Assist feature helps users lift countertop Holds door open at 95 degrees. Sugatsune LDD Series DOOR DAMPER Surface Mount A parallel arm mount would be the only kind of mount that would apply a direct pull on the mounting screws. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on November 25, 2011: It sounds to me like you need a stop more than a closer. Sheets of veneer are glued to a thin wooden frame that comprises the edges of the door. Not shown are surface mounted track closers which use a single arm and a slide track instead of the double lever arm shown in the pictures at right. 3921897, Doors & Entrances ">> Door Accessories > Door Operators. We mounted the door closer and it lasted about a dozen closes before coming loosesolid door or is there a hardware kit available for hollow doors?? Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on September 30, 2011: Very interesting advise Tom.I think inserting a solid timber block inside the door might be the way to go.alot more time consuming and work but the finished job will look far better than having bolts on the face of the door.I will have to set up a router with a fence and router out the top rail and glue a new piece of 100mm timber in.this will give a much better fixing for the closer.thankyou for your advise. This is difficult, because the veneer is glued to the strip of wood on both sides of the door, and it may be difficult to remove the top strip without damaging the door. Then you will be able to open the door wider. Keep in mind, I'm not very smart when it comes to these things. The door has a changeable screen/glass option that takes up about 80% of the face of the door. if the closer is one of them old LCN "potbelly" or "traditional" types, you can simply unhook the spring tension under its arm and adjust the valve to allow it to not dampen the movement. I need to buy a door closer and found this site, http://www.qualifiedhardware.com/door-closers-82/.
$67.00, Special Price Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on January 18, 2018: Hi Garrett, I think you are on the right track. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 16, 2012: Off the bat I thought of an electromagnetic door holder with a timer, but I am still researching a mechanical solution. There are high spring power door closers, such as the LCN 4116 for push side mounting or 4016 for pull side mounting that offer more closing strength for adverse conditions, however the more force a door closer exerts to hold a door closed, the harder it will be for people to open. If the gate is tall enough, one could build a housing above the gate for the pulley system. Sounds to me like your door frame is wood with a wooden decorative molding called a casing, and your closer shoe was mounted to just the casing and not to the header. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on February 29, 2012: My problem was that I have installed hundreds of 4041's and I never new about the backcheck selection valve! It stays open now, but the noise is dreadful and annoying. Or am I missing something? One could also bury the housing, but that would make repairs and maintenance difficult. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 17, 2012: I think you can have your cake and eat it, too, if you use an LCN 4011T to close the door and an electromagnetic hold open with a timer. The door is my pantry door in the kitchen and if left open is always in the walkway path. The easy way is to put the closer on the pull side and the stop on the opposite side. One example would be the Norton 1688 plate, designed for use with the Norton 1601. Sugatsune LDD-S-L/DBR: Surface Mount Door Damper (left) - Dark Brown, Sugatsune LDD-S-L/LBR: Surface Mount Door Damper (left) - Light Brown, Sugatsune LDD-S-L/LGR: Surface Mount Door Damper (left) - Light Grey, Sugatsune LDD-S-R/DBR: Surface Mount Door Damper (right) - Dark Brown, Sugatsune LDD-V100-DBR-L: Heavy Duty Mortise Mount Door Damper (left) - Dark Brown, Sugatsune LDD-V100-DBR-R: Heavy Duty Mortise Mount Door Damper (right) - Dark Brown, Sugatsune LDD-S-L/WT: Surface Mount Door Damper (left) - White, Sugatsune LDD-S-R/WT: Surface Mount Door Damper (right) - White, Sugatsune LDD-V-L: Mortise-Mount Door Damper (left) - Steel/Plastic, Sugatsune LDD-S-R/LBR: Surface Mount Door Damper (right) - Light Brown, Sugatsune LDD-V-R: Mortise-Mount Door Damper (right) - Steel/Plastic, Sugatsune LDD-S-R/LGR: Surface Mount Door Damper (right) - Light Grey, Sugatsune Mini Door Closer with Damper Left, Sugatsune Lapcon technology grips doors for the last 15 degrees and soft-closes, Damper can be adjusted for door weight afterr installation. Surface mount that can be retrofitted onto current door installations.Easy to align to proper positioning, speeding up installation.Slim profile (body height only 16 mm) can handle doors up to 40 kg in Sugatsune LDD-S-P SPACER FOR LDD-STwo types available: 2 mm thickness and 3 mm thickness.Can be used for Max. http://extranet.assaabloydss.com/library/catalogs/ Gates are not too bad to work with as long as the customer understand the closer may rust out in five or six years.
I have a glass door with a metal casing on the bottom only. Question: MY door closer will not fully close the door. Ordered with the optional track bumper, it acts as an overhead stop in addition to being a full featured adjustable door closer. People have gone to extremes to try to conquer the problem you are doing, including using two closers on the same door (not something I recommend). On the push side of the door you mimic a person pushing the door open using the gauge. Content is for informational or entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for personal counsel or professional advice in business, financial, legal, or technical matters. The Sargent 422 has a newer internal design that translates into a door that is easier to open, yet closes with consistent force throughout the arc of the swing. This could be done with metal or plywood plates. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on June 27, 2012: I have used the LCN 1461T in this kind of application before with good success. If there IS a tension nit on end to adjust spring, the 1-4 is the range of spring sizes the closer can be adjusted to. Unobtrusive design : damper unit is only 20 mm high, easily fits most door frames. I am needing to replace a closer, currently being (2) Wright V920 Pnuematic, on our main entry way. If you have a lot of extra time and money, a concealed door closer will do the job. Jeff. All rights reserved. Since I am not a rebuilder of door closers I cannot speak with authority about removing the internal parts of a closer - basically the spring and the hydraulic fluid - that make it close the door in an adjustable fashion. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM332128 Tom, I'm trying to switch a right-hand open parallel arm closer to the left-hand open door but I think I need to switch the arm around somehow to make it work. There is a third kind, the overhead concealed-in-door door closer, but since it is so rarely used I did not include a photo here. There is only one closer I know of that offers a real solution, and that is the Norton 78B/F. Currently I have a Universal Hardware UH4031, which is brand new, and it is giving me the same issues as the one I replaced. Will Jenkins http://www.callahandoors.com/products-services/com Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on October 07, 2013: Hmm, not sure. about the oil/fluid, if I was approached with this situation, I would say to leave the fluid in the closer and adjust the valves so they are open all the way (not removed from closer body) this way it will not hinder the normal freeswinging feel but will slow it down if someone tries to slam it (in anger or wind take the door), as for the internal parts, this is best left to the experts/professionals to deal with, there is a really strong spring inside them that if taken out wrong or the wrong procedure used, can result in serious personal injury/damage to closer, Tom, a closer that has no fluid or piston/spring is often called a "dummy closer" these are common in use where a concealed overhead closer was used and removed for prepping door for surface or floor closer use, 2 closers is not really recommended for ADA codes, as well as could contribute to premature wear on pivot points. Question: Our Norton door opener is very difficult to open. sugatsune-kogyo-uk-ltd_ldd-s-lapcon-door-damper-surface-mount-type_photo_0_018991.jpg, Copyright Causeway Technologies 2022 Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on July 23, 2010: The site you link to carries top line door closers. I'm sure if i did it would be like heaven to me. Not sure if this is what you mean. mounting? Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on September 27, 2016: 615R is a UL listing that is stamped on many door closers, so it does not tell us what door closer you have, and difficult for me to suggest a solution. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 13, 2015: Hi Dale. 6 mm thickness gap. A second choice for option 1 would be to use a track closer instead of a parallel arm. The hard part will be getting the broken off screw out of the header if it's still there, because it's fairly important to get that shoe back in the same place it was if you can.